The EcoSend Podcast

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[00:00:00] James Gill: Welcome to the EcoSend podcast stories from marketers founders and change makers leading businesses for a better world.

[00:00:27] Hi there, welcome to another episode of the EcoSend podcast. I'm thrilled to join you again for another wonderful show, and today's episode is going to be about the world of filmmaking. I am joined today by Magali Seve. From who is over in Paris and I believe it is a very rainy day in Paris, like it is in London today, as it is always in London.

[00:00:52] But Magalie is deeply convinced that the power of filmmaking, if used better, can make the world a better place. And Magalie works on making branded documentaries for purpose driven companies and organizations. And it's, this is a whole world that I, while I'm in front of a camera right now and recording something, I don't know much about the world of filmmaking, and I am very excited to be talking to you, Meghalie.

[00:01:17] And yeah, I'm very pleased to have you on the show. So, Meghalie, how are you doing today? Yeah, I'm very

[00:01:22] Magali Seyvet: good, thanks. And you're right, there is a bad weather in Paris. Yeah, yeah. Me, I come from the south, so I'm not used to that, but it's fine.

[00:01:31] James Gill: At least we're indoors, it's all good. Yeah, yeah. I'm very excited to chat with you today.

[00:01:36] Thank you for, for being on the show. Yeah, that's all right. Mm. Yeah, maybe in your own words, like, what would you say, what do you do and yeah, what are you, what are you working on

[00:01:48] Magali Seyvet: at the moment? Yeah so basically I'm, I'm making film for companies and so I am making branded documentaries. It's a special type of film.

[00:01:59] And the way I do that is I film people in the real world. It's not fiction. Yeah. And I'm only working for companies that I appreciate. So I can book companies and this is a way for me to. To have a purpose in my work, in my job.

[00:02:21] James Gill: So, I see. So you, you are living and breathing your values there and, and really trying to make sure that the, the work you do is aligned with what you believe.

[00:02:32] Even going as far as to turn down work to to, to make sure you're sticking to, to your own, your own values. And I'm, I'm excited to, to dig into that because I'm sure there are so many challenges and pros and, and cons of doing that. In terms of yourself and, and how you got into this, Meghadi, what, how did you get into the world of maybe of filmmaking and how did you get into the world of, Caring about sustainability and, and having, making sure you're, you're living so closely to such strong, strongly held values.

[00:03:06] I, I'm curious, like, did that just happen overnight? I assume not.

[00:03:10] Magali Seyvet: No, it's quite a long story actually. Yeah. Because I have an engineer degree. So in France, it's a, it's a master, it's five years studies. So I studied agronomy, agriculture. So it's very different. Wow. Yeah. And filmmaking was my hobby, my passion, hobby.

[00:03:33] And one day a friend of mine asked me if I was okay to film with him and to be paid for that. And I was like, Oh, it can be a job actually. I thought it was just a hobby, you know. Because it's not cinema, so I thought it was just like that, you know, making small films with my friends. And actually, when I discovered that companies can pay for that, I was like, this is what I want to do.

[00:04:00] I want to make films. Amazing. Yeah. And about the sustainability, it's mostly because during my studies, I've studied all the climate change problems and stuff the agronomy system, etc. So I started to have this sensibility at this period and then I've traveled all the way like to New Zealand. That's why I can speak English with you right now, I think.

[00:04:28] And so I took the plane and I went very far and the country was beautiful, but I was like, I crossed the world with a plane, with a flight. And it couldn't, this feeling couldn't go away. I was like, there is something bad into this, I guess. Or I'm not saying I'm against the plane all the time, but I traveled a lot in my life.

[00:04:53] I also started to create a questioning the filmmaking stuff like, okay, actually I'm doing advertising for companies. And when I was younger when I was a kid, I remember I was dead. I told my parents like so many people are starving on the planet. And I thought that. I saw we need a lot of money to make this stop.

[00:05:18] And so what can't we use the advertising money to give food to people? So I thought that when I was a kid, this was my, the way I was thinking. And now I was like, I'm doing advertising for a company. So there is a problem growing up. And so I was like, I want to, to make films because this is a an area where I'm good at and I love it.

[00:05:46] So I have the energy to do that, but how can I use that? To make this world a better place, and yeah, it started to, it started like that.

[00:05:57] James Gill: I see, I see. So, so there was, so there's a lot about the sustainability side that came from, from the studies you were doing, but it became more and more intertwined with the filmmaking side as you realize actually filmmaking could have an impact on that and, and those, those two.

[00:06:18] Passions collided, I guess. Yeah.

[00:06:20] Magali Seyvet: Yeah. And I was a bit angry with all the ads you can see for companies like, you know when you see, I always take this example because to me, it's quite clear when you see an advertising for a car in the forest, it's like, you can go into the nature with a big, big car, you know?

[00:06:41] So this is, to me, there is something wrong with that. And this is filmmaking. It's a language and we can use that To do greenwashing, or we can do that to, to make communication for good projects.

[00:06:55] James Gill: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I, I actually that, that kind of reminds me of something on a, on a previous episode we were talking about.

[00:07:05] I, I think it was. Rebecca from Tencha, and she was saying nature has a marketing budget of zero and and all of the, like, every brand has a bigger budget than the nature to advertise and get people to know about it. And so the, the idea that, yeah, you're through storytelling, through filmmaking, you can maybe give, give nature a bit of a an advert there is quite a bit of

[00:07:31] Magali Seyvet: a bit for nature.

[00:07:33] Yeah, it's not always perfect. I mean, everything has an impact on the planet, but yeah. Yeah. We can try to make it better.

[00:07:44] James Gill: Yeah. So in terms of you also mentioned that your trip to New Zealand and, and flying. So that had a big impact as well on, on making you more conscious about how you travel. Is that right?

[00:07:56] And, and trying to travel less by, by air and more by train and, and other ways. Yeah,

[00:08:03] Magali Seyvet: yeah, I know. I tried to do that. I'm not sure I won't. I will never use. I think I will. Use the plane again. Yeah in my life, but for example last year. I've been to Scotland with the train Speaking of

[00:08:22] James Gill: bad weather Yeah, yeah,

[00:08:24] Magali Seyvet: it was amazing It was good, it was good It was just rainy all the time As soon

[00:08:30] James Gill: as you cross the border into Scotland, I think it starts, it starts raining.

[00:08:36] Magali Seyvet: That's what English people say, right? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It looks a bit like New Zealand with the bad weather, but yeah, yeah, so I, I, I went there by train and on the way back I wanted to do the same, but the train was. It's too expensive and I think it will be the same price as at the first way, the one way.

[00:09:03] Yeah. Yeah. So I had to pay the flight because I think you have to book the train very early and I'm not used to that so I did a small part in plane but most of the trip in train. And next time I will be careful about how I book my, my train and stuff like that.

[00:09:21] James Gill: Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I no, I don't want to shame you there for getting the, the plane.

[00:09:26] I think anyone who's tried to travel by train in the United Kingdom may have experienced a

[00:09:31] Magali Seyvet: similar challenge. It was 600 Euros. It

[00:09:34] James Gill: can be challenging to do the right thing sometimes, it's yeah, it but I, I feel like there could be a whole other episode of the podcast about train travel in the United Kingdom, but we'll, we'll, we'll save that for another day.

[00:09:46] But I, I think it's very interesting, I guess, because also for, for, It's not something necessarily that I would think about, but with filmmaking, I guess travel is a huge part of what filmmaking is, you're, you're, you've got to be on location in different places. Yeah, exactly. It's a big part of your, your cost base, but also your footprint, I guess.

[00:10:07] Yeah.

[00:10:07] Magali Seyvet: So now that I'm working in France, I always use the train. For now. Yeah. The thing is, if next year's I want to work with a team more, you know, bigger camera and stuff. Yeah. It's hard sometimes to take the train because of the Price you have in the suitcase, like if you have a 10, 000 euros camera in your suitcase, you don't want to take the train.

[00:10:33] But for the moment, I don't have any 10, 000 euros camera. It's a bit late. It's a bit late. So I'm like, I'm always looking at my bag, but I'm like, it's gonna be fine. And I, I, I, I'm crossing, I'm traveling a lot in France.

[00:10:49] James Gill: For the I see, I see. With your bag very close to you. Yeah. , but with

[00:10:53] Magali Seyvet: big bags, you know, in Paris.

[00:10:54] Yeah. It's always, well, what an adventure. . Yeah. In the subway. Yeah. So,

[00:11:01] James Gill: yeah. I didn't even think about these things, but yeah, it's, it's a very good point. And, and so I guess what I love, I'd love to talk to you more about then is, is your sense that filmmaking is this incredibly powerful way to. Make the world a bit better and, and to convey a very impactful message.

[00:11:23] I'd love to hear more about your thoughts on that and, and maybe some of your experience of, of, of seeing that happen.

[00:11:31] Magali Seyvet: To me, filmmaking is a very deep language and very complete. I think it's the, I, I don't know. I, I like to say that because I think it's true, but. I don't know if it's true. I think it's the more, the most complete language in the world because you can use any language in it, like French, English, Spanish, everything you want, and then you can use music, dance, theater, like everything can be every language can be combined in one language, which is filmmaking with the audio and the image.

[00:12:07] So to me, this is very powerful. And It can be on the internet so it can be sent anywhere and it can give a lot of emotions to the people and that's why some companies can pay euros for a 30 seconds video. You know what I mean? So yeah, it's a power, but at the same time, when, if I take my phone and I film my I don't know, my Your cat, right?

[00:12:40] My, my cat for example. I dunno. , this is a video basically. You can wake up in the morning and do filmmaking. You just, you know, you film your cat. Yeah. Yeah. So it's much more complex than that, than that, of course, when you do filmmaking. So you have to learn a different language. This is how I see it. Mm-Hmm.

[00:12:59] And then to me it's a long way that a few people can speak, but everyone can understand. And this is the magic of filmmaking for me.

[00:13:09] James Gill: That's, I've never even heard it put like that. That's such, such a beautiful way of describing it, and, and you're so right, like, I guess, yeah, filmmaking, everyone, yeah, I would only be repeating what you said there, but the way, the way you the way filmmaking, though, encapsulates other mediums is, is actually beautiful.

[00:13:32] Mm hmm. Is actually something that never really occurred to me, like, you can take the best of music, the best of, of acting, the best of framing, the best of writing and bring it all, all together to maximum, like to have the impact that all of those combined, and perhaps even more so by bringing them together can be greater than the sum of the parts.

[00:13:58] And so, I guess, so, for, for you. uniquely positioned to take that power, but apply it to businesses and brands that you really connect with and you really want to maximize the impact of. And so that involves not just the highest paying client, but actually the, the, those that connect with you,

[00:14:24] Magali Seyvet: right?

[00:14:24] Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Some, I think I refused some very Which clients? Like Louis Vuitton, I can say that, like LVMH, I think

[00:14:34] James Gill: LVMH. Yeah, I do believe they are one of the biggest companies in the world,

[00:14:39] Magali Seyvet: aren't they? I mean, they have money, you know?

[00:14:42] James Gill: They have, I think they have money. They sell expensive clothes, expensive whiskeys expensive wines.

[00:14:50] Magali Seyvet: Yes, I could make a big film for them, you know, I think they have a lot of money. But I didn't want to work for them because because I don't want to. And also because my, my type of films. Won't suit with them because I filmed the reality. So if reality is shit, it's gonna be a shit movie, you know See that like that.

[00:15:14] So yeah, this is a way to choose my clients

[00:15:19] James Gill: Absolutely. I I can imagine many people listening which Would crave having someone like that as a client. So, tell me more about having the ability to even say no to someone like that. Like that, it must be, you know, one of those logos that people would just love to have on their, on their website or on their portfolio.

[00:15:44] Yeah. Was that a difficult thing to decide or was it actually a very easy thing to decide because of your Your, your background and everything you've, you've figured out,

[00:15:55] Magali Seyvet: I was quite surprised because they went to me. So,

[00:16:00] James Gill: yeah, that's a very good sign.

[00:16:02] Magali Seyvet: It was a guy working for them who went to me, not exactly them, but it was for them.

[00:16:07] And I was like I think you don't get what I'm doing. I was like, I think you didn't understand what I'm doing. Because the guy was like, I like your style. And I wanted, I want this for Louis Vuitton. And I was like, have you been on my website? Like everywhere it's written, I don't want to work for companies that do shit products.

[00:16:28] And I'm not, I'm not saying like everything is shitty. But there are so many problems with this company. So, yeah, but yeah, I thought about it a bit and I talked about it to my brother and he said, Mac, come on, like, welcome. And I was like, yeah, you're like, you're right. And it's because it's a lot of money.

[00:16:49] And then the good surprise is the last few weeks I had like the best amount of demands from, from companies. So five companies came to me in two weeks. And these are companies that I like, like, I like this project. So I was like, I refused to work with this brand, but at the same time, other brands I like are coming to me.

[00:17:14] And it's not always like big brands is it can be for example, a CD from, from France. I like, I have different demands like that. Yeah I'm not sure I'd love, I'd love to have Louis Vuitton in my website.

[00:17:30] James Gill: Yeah, I, I was just thinking maybe you could have a section of your website with the amazing brands that have got in touch that you've said no to.

[00:17:39] Yes! Yeah, yeah, maybe I could do that. Clients I've not worked with,

[00:17:43] Magali Seyvet: you know. Yeah, that's, that's very Good idea.

[00:17:48] James Gill: I'm not

[00:17:49] Magali Seyvet: sure that will be all right. It could be fun, actually.

[00:17:52] James Gill: Yeah. That is, I guess then I guess for many people wanting to, because I, you know, maybe this gets onto the topic of entrepreneurship and building a business, but for many people, you know, many people building a business, especially in the creative field, They're often struggling to, like, get any clients or, you know, pay their bills and pay their staff and Many, many, especially at the moment, like, lots of budgets being tightened How do you put yourself in a position where you can actually say no?

[00:18:26] Would you say it's about just doing Fantastic work? Is it about the quality of the work? Is it about the network you've built? Is it about other things that I'm not thinking about I, yeah, I I'm intrigued by how you've put yourself in such a strong position.

[00:18:44] Magali Seyvet: To be able to say no, you mean it depends on the period.

[00:18:48] These days it's easier for me since I would say a few months because it's working pretty well. So I don't have the time to do everything, so I have to work with some clients. So I just choose who I want to work for. Yeah. Yeah. One year ago it was a bit different because I, it was a bit hard than today to find clients.

[00:19:11] Because it was very, the beginning of my company. I created it a few years ago, but I was traveling, then I had a health problem for one year. So it was not always like, it was not a full time job. I was just doing video sometimes. And then yeah, since January, it's my full time job. And Yeah, I say no, and I just, I gain less money.

[00:19:34] I mean, this is like yeah, you are less rich. Of course, when you say no to some clients, but then to say no is also to have time for other people. And then you can work. I mean, you can make money with other companies. There are not just one company or two you can work for. So it's a matter of choice, I think.

[00:19:58] Yeah. Yeah, and maybe it's also because I'm quite lucky with an engineer degree. So, I know if it's, if someday it's really complicated, I can find a job. Sure,

[00:20:11] James Gill: sure. So, So, yeah, you have good options at your disposal. Yeah, I

[00:20:16] Magali Seyvet: feel safe, do you know what I mean? Like, Yeah. I'm not like, Yeah. Yeah. And. Yeah, I live in Grenoble and it's not very expensive there, so it helps, also helps.

[00:20:28] But now, yeah, I have too many demands, so now it's easier to say no, I

[00:20:33] James Gill: guess. I mean, it's an incredible position to be in, it speaks to the, it must speak to the quality of work that you do. So I, I'm intrigued, Magalie how The, the films you make for these brands? Yeah. How does that process go? And, and like and, and what, as a filmmaker that obviously, you know, I, I think assume everyone listening to simple podcast, God has watched a movie before and they there is a long list of credits at the end.

[00:21:03] So when you say you are a filmmaker, do you do all of those things? How many

[00:21:07] Magali Seyvet: things do you do? This is the, this is the funny part. When you're a freelance filmmaker. Yeah. You can do this. Alone. Everything. So as, it's exactly that. Like, when you look at the credits of a film, there are many, many people working for one video.

[00:21:23] So this is a challenge to make everything alone because you have to think about the quality of the footage. The camera movements, the sound design the interview and what we are doing right now. I can do that also. I can interview people, but at the same time I'm thinking the sound, I'm filming. So it's like a full job.

[00:21:47] Like there are many things to think about, to think about. But then my goal is like I start to work sometimes in teams. Because the quality of the projects is increasing with Tim to me, it's, it's normal because for example, just for the color grading, if you work with someone specialized, specialized in color grading, the person is doing that every day of the year.

[00:22:13] Of course, the person will be better than you. Even if I do that. So if you do that for any like a part of the filmmaking process. So my goal is to be more and more the director of the movie to manage a team. So I start to do that sometimes and it's always a budget problem. Like if the company, like for example, a few times ago an organization asked me a movie of 15 minutes.

[00:22:47] And they told me we want the biggest project ever.

[00:22:53] James Gill: I've heard of this kind of plan before. Yeah, it's

[00:22:56] Magali Seyvet: infinite, like, you can do a movie with 1 million euros for 15 minutes if you want. Like, it can be very expensive. But yeah, it was not 1 million, but I, but I I suggest to work with a team for this project.

[00:23:11] And now they are looking for money because it's a lot of money, but but yeah, we can go very far with a team in 15 minutes and typically, like the thing I like to work on is the sound design to work with studios because when I do that, I, I do good sounds like the voices are. Beautiful and stuff, but I love to work with people that can imagine a sound, sound design world.

[00:23:39] I don't know how to say that, like a full sound sound world. And

[00:23:44] James Gill: yeah, I don't know how to say that. Universe, maybe a

[00:23:49] Magali Seyvet: universe. Like it's, it's very like when we are, we watching a movies. If we close our eyes, like a movie, a cinema movie a lot of things are happening. And this is a real work to do that.

[00:24:03] And yeah, to do that on my own, sometimes I'd love to work with people that. I'm very focused on this work because it can bring a lot to productions. Absolutely.

[00:24:16] James Gill: Absolutely. I what not many people realize is there's actually 200 people working on this podcast just out of shot from me.

[00:24:25] Maybe one day, we will have

[00:24:27] Magali Seyvet: a filmmaking team with you to make some people do that.

[00:24:32] James Gill: Chris is a fantastic editor of the show.

[00:24:34] Magali Seyvet: Yeah, now it's just, you know, the headphones and the phone, but it's

[00:24:39] James Gill: a start. It's incredible though, when you think about, I guess it's like with, with many, many types of business, you know, there's that going from yourself to, Two people to three people to ten people, the, the, the opportunity and the challenges and, and what that enables is, is is fascinating and yeah, hearing you talk about some of those things, I didn't even think about color grading and stuff like that, like, so many things to think about.

[00:25:08] Yeah, it's

[00:25:09] Magali Seyvet: very

[00:25:09] James Gill: complete. So with the brands, so brands will. will come to you and they will have an idea of a story they want to tell and, and, and your, your desire is to sort of make sure that that, that story is, is, is honest and truthful and and, and I guess impactful as, as possible. And, and that's why picking the right brands is so important, I guess, because, If you're working with a brand that doesn't have those same values, then how can you be truthful and honest

[00:25:42] Magali Seyvet: with their intentions?

[00:25:43] Yeah, it's not going to work. Like for branded documentaries, it won't work. Yeah. Because if, for example, you're working for clients that don't like your work, and then I have to film them. I mean, they're not going to say, I love it if they don't love it, or even if it's your employees, if they, they will feel the pressure to say, I like this company, but if deeply inside of them, they don't like it, we could feel it.

[00:26:13] And for example, a few weeks ago, I've done a film for companies in the wood industry. And I was a bit scared of like, it's, it's not big, big company, but it's like 100 people working for them. And and I imagined, you know, the, the, the, how do you say, the CEO. Yeah. With you know, well dressed and very serious and yeah, I, I, I don't know.

[00:26:40] It's like, oh, it's gonna be weird like . I trust them, but I, I, I hope like the employees, like the, the company, because otherwise it's gonna sound very weird. And actually it was amazing. Like people, it's a beautiful company with a great management uhhuh, so people are happy. And I could feel that during the interviews and if it's, good in the inside then the film is going to be good and my job is to put that on the screen So yeah, I have to Look for what is the unicity of the company. It's

[00:27:17] James Gill: yeah, that's incredible. I guess there's a lot of people that want to use filmmaking to portray outwardly a very different image to what is happening in internally.

[00:27:30] And and, and you're not the person to go to. No, no, no. Don't go with me.

[00:27:37] Magali Seyvet: I don't do fiction. Yeah. That's why I can work for some of companies like it won't work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there are beautiful stories everywhere. Of course, you can, there is a movie about McDonald's and Netflix. So you can tell stories with any big character and stuff, but then.

[00:28:00] Yeah, it's hard work, I think, to do that, and I don't want to do that

[00:28:04] James Gill: as well. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well I know one of the things we always like to talk about on the show is, is people's thoughts on the future of their, their industry, and How do you see things changing in the world of filmmaking, especially for brands, then over, over the next few years, like yeah, what, what's, what do you think the world's going to look like in a few years time?

[00:28:26] Magali Seyvet: In the filmmaking industry? Yeah, yeah. I'm, I'm not sure about that, but I'd love to see sustainable companies not be shy of making great films. Because there is also this fear of, Oh, no filmmaking is you know, you're many, you are manipulating people, so we don't want emotions. We just want to use the numbers, the statistics to say we are doing a good job for the environment or for the planet, for the society and stuff.

[00:28:59] And at the same time, it's like big brands are using the emotions to say. We are perfect with the environment and they use filmmaking language very well, and I hope it's going to be the contrary Yeah, next year's. I think it's quite urgent to do that. And yeah, I think it's The world I imagine like the perfect world for me is where filmmakers refuse to tell stories.

[00:29:28] They don't like and I know some filmmakers that are working for advertising that they don't like the companies and they are telling me, yes, but I need money. So it's always the same problem to be able to say no and then it's just, it's gonna, it's going to come, I think, because more and more companies are making efforts.

[00:29:51] So, yeah, yeah, it should come.

[00:29:54] James Gill: Yeah, absolutely. I feel, I feel incredibly inspired from this conversation, Margarita, I, I, I think what you said there even just at the end around businesses that do their heart want to do the right thing. I think sometimes I know we've talked on the podcast before about in the past on previous episodes about sort of greenwashing, but also green hushing and people who you Not wanting to say anything for fear of being wrong and And, and I think I've been hashing you say.

[00:30:24] Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, it's, it's a term that was new to me as, as well. And I think it's maybe something that it kind of relates to what you're saying there in filmmaking where A lot of these businesses, they, they, like, if we, we need to prove that we are doing the right thing with the facts and the numbers, and, and that is obviously a good thing, and that nothing can argue with, no one can argue with the numbers often, but but yeah, sometimes does that risk missing the opportunity to have a greater impact in terms of storytelling, or how can that storytelling Not be lost when, when you are so keen to also make sure things are proven with, with facts and numbers, like how, how do you combine those two, I think is a really interesting area for, for brands to look at.

[00:31:09] Yeah,

[00:31:09] Magali Seyvet: that's right. It's a balance actually. The more information you put in a video, the less emotions you have. Sometimes silence is great. When you see a person who starts crying, and you don't say anything. But you feel the emotions and it can be more powerful than just putting words and say these numbers and blah, blah, blah.

[00:31:34] You can have, you can put numbers in films, but just, yeah, it's, to me, it's a balance. And I think you have also the, like, you can also put proofs of your engagement on your website you know, in a written way in other ways. And to me, video is emotion. Like, you need to think like that because this is a power.

[00:31:58] And if you only use that in information, informative way. You lose all the power of it. You just, you just grab your camera and do something, but this is not filmmaking. This is just rake, you know, you see. It's

[00:32:12] James Gill: just hitting record rather than filmmaking. Yeah, this is recording.

[00:32:15] Magali Seyvet: That's all.

[00:32:17] James Gill: Magalie, it's been an absolute pleasure speaking with you.

[00:32:20] I can't believe. We've already spoken for over half an hour and I, I, it's such an inspiring conversation with you. I I hope that people listening will want to go check out your work. So I, I guess everything Is on your website, right? Which is a French website, of course, but I'm sure people can try out their French skills or maybe translate it with Google Translate.

[00:32:45] I don't know, but it's allheroes. fr. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. And we'll link that in the notes. Yeah. And, and if anyone wants to connect with you, they can find you on LinkedIn as well, right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Okay. Amazing. Magalia, it is been a pleasure having you on the show. Thank you so much

[00:33:05] Magali Seyvet: for joining me.

[00:33:06] Thanks for inviting me. That was great. Thank you. In English, speaking English, I miss that.

[00:33:11] James Gill: So I, I have to admit on the on, on the English schools far better than my, my French skills. I won't even try . Thanks, .

[00:33:22] Magali Seyvet: No, you haven't said anything in French, but can you say to finish the

[00:33:26] James Gill: podcast, I , ku, poor, poor for a podcast gives you.

[00:33:32] This is perfect. We, we, we, thanks F and thank, thank you. I will, I'll definitely not try any anymore French, but thank you very much. Re Yeah, that's all right. Thank you. And thank you thank you to everybody also for, for tuning into the podcast, listening in watching. We really appreciate it. If you've enjoyed the show, please do tell others about it and spread the word because it's wonderful to share stories like Magalie's and we will catch you next time.