The EcoSend Podcast

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[00:00:00] Chris W: Welcome to the EcoSend podcast. Be inspired, educated, and entertained by the world's most ambitious leaders putting climate at the top of their agenda. Welcome

[00:00:17] James Gill: to another episode of the EcoSend podcast. I'm James, your host, and I am very excited today to be joined by Tristan Lochon, who is a filmmaker.

[00:00:29] And it is not often that I get to speak to someone who has the awesome job of making films for a living. So, I am thrilled to be joined by Tristan. Tristan is both a filmmaker and a journalist who's traveled All across the world, and has recently brought out an incredible movie, an incredible documentary called Responsible.

[00:00:52] The title is Responsible. There is no business to be done on a broken planet. And I had the pleasure of seeing this movie recently with a bunch of other wonderful people in London. And it is just a fantastic thing. So I am very excited to talk with Tristan about the movie, about the making of the movie, and about his career.

[00:01:11] Transcribed so, I will be quiet now, Tristan, and say, hi, how are you doing today? Hi, great, thanks a lot for having me, and,

[00:01:20] Tristan Lochon: It's my first ever recorded podcast in English, so I'm super happy to experience that with you, James.

[00:01:26] James Gill: Amazing, Tristan, I, I think you'll be a natural because of all of your time working in the, in the world of movies and films, so It's such a pleasure to have you on the show.

[00:01:35] I feel like I'm almost, I'm speaking to a celebrity. So it's it's really cool to, to have you here. I, I'm keen to hear a little bit more from you about what you're doing. About what you're working on at the moment and yeah, what, what, how would you summarize yourself in your own words?

[00:01:54] Tristan Lochon: Well, I'm, I'm currently working for a company named Welcome to the Jungle. It's based in France, but we have offices around the world in the UK, Cetre Public. I've been producing content, so I've been here since six years, and we have been producing content about the world of work. So, mostly on social media and YouTube and small videos, but also bigger piece, like 26 minute documentaries on mental health issue, for example, that I directed on the future of work.

[00:02:26] I know a big topic in the UK, the four day work week. We did an experiment ourselves. On implementing the 40 work week within our company. And so we documented it as well. So, yeah, I come from a journalism background, like you said, working for TV channels, our news TV channels here in France production companies.

[00:02:45] And since 6 years, I joined that company who is a recruitment platform on the side has launched media since 10 years now. And and. Being able to reconcile these two worlds, like the, the recruitment, the recruiters and the people looking for jobs and providing them with the best content on the world of work.

[00:03:04] So that's why I'm here to produce content and Responsible is our first feature film and I directed it with Julien Dumont, who is my coworker. And we have been doing most of the pieces I was telling you about together. And so it took us three years to make our first feature film. And and we are super happy to broadcast it everywhere through private screening.

[00:03:28] Amazing.

[00:03:32] James Gill: I'm excited to unpack a lot, a lot more of this Tristan. So so I, I guess for those yeah, so, so you've, you've released this movie called Responsible. It's really about how business can be done in a better way and, and dives into, I mean, you could do a better job of summarizing it, but the, the movie how, how have you gotten to a point of making that movie and what, what has made you care about?

[00:03:58] this world of sustainability and business for good.

[00:04:04] Tristan Lochon: Yeah. So as I was saying, we produced a lot of content related to work related topics. And at some point, the same way we had the idea of making a documentary about the syndrome of burnout on mental health. We sold like we need to make something about the responsibility of companies facing the world's most pressing problems, environmental, social problems.

[00:04:26] At first, I didn't know much about the topic of responsibility for companies. I didn't know if it existed. I was a bit skeptical. There is a character in the film, Andy Fife, who is an American working for B Lab since 15 years. And and he calls himself a healthy skeptic. And I kind of relate to that because yeah, when we started the film, So The responsibility of companies is such a big topic that it needs to come out on a longer piece than what we are used to do.

[00:04:58] And that's why we decided to make a film. And the idea came from Marie Ouvrard, who is the producer of the film, one of the producer, and she came to me with a book from Yvon Chouinard Let My People Go Surfing, the founder of Patagonia. I don't know if you read it, if you're not, if you haven't.

[00:05:13] Read it. It's great. And everyone who is listening should read it. . Yeah. We'll,

[00:05:18] James Gill: we'll make sure that's linked to in the, in the notes so that people can go, go find that. Yeah.

[00:05:23] Tristan Lochon: And it's basically about how we decided to run Patagonia at first in a, in a time where like those kind of topics weren't such a thing as it is now.

[00:05:33] And and her idea was to. She knew that Yvon Chouinard doesn't give any interview and she wanted us to have like the exclusive interview of Yvon Chouinard and through that get the, to the idea of what is a responsible company. And so basically we didn't have the interview from Yvon Chouinard, but that led us to who is following his path and, and who is trying to address responsibility as a major topic for Their company and and that's how it started.

[00:06:02] Yeah, it was like trying the, the code name of the film was first looking for evil, which was really a perfect name for a film. And and then it became responsible because we have met so many different people to talk about that in different industries, different sector. My goal was also to show that it can be done in, in.

[00:06:21] Many industries and, and many sides, many company sides. So, yeah, that's basically it.

[00:06:28] James Gill: That's so interesting. That's a very long answer. You need to tell me if it's too long. We are here for long answers, Tristan. That's why we're listening to you. So, I guess just to clarify some of that then, for maybe some people listening may not be super familiar with Patagonia, I, purely coincidentally, I'm wearing a Patagonia fleece right now and I really like that, I really love that clothing.

[00:06:52] But, but Patagonia has really been at the forefront of business for good, purpose driven business, caring about the planet, caring about their employees, caring about the communities they operate in. And I, I guess, so, so you were on the search to, to interview the founder of Patagonia, but in that, in that, journey have ended up finding that there are many, many other businesses and organizations that deserve a voice here.

[00:07:24] And that they're also following the footsteps.

[00:07:27] Tristan Lochon: Yeah. My, my point wasn't to show that cause the first question I would have to Patagonia is if you feel like you are responsible, why do you make clothes? Like we know the impact of clothing and retail industry. So I would come with that first. And they say, like Yeah, but any other brands will do it.

[00:07:43] So what we are trying to do is just to show the right way to do it. And and I found that interesting because they asked themselves those type of question in the 1970s. So Patagonia was really interesting to us. To have in the film because they have asked themselves questions at a time where it wasn't such a big issue.

[00:08:04] Also, it was a really well known company for many people, like everybody knows his name and we felt like. We need an example of someone who is a big name brand, but mostly to show the people within this brand. And so that's what I like to say about the film is it's not about the companies, but it's mostly about the people within those companies.

[00:08:28] Like I feel like Yvon Chouinard could have made any other business. He would have acted the same way. Vincent Stanley. So we did interview Vincent Stanley. He's Yvon Chouinard's nephew and he's a director of Philosophia Patagonia. He has been there since the beginning through different jobs when the company was smaller and and yeah, and he told us that They didn't think of being a responsible company when they started.

[00:08:52] They just realized they were having much more of an impact than they thought they were back in the days and then ask themselves, like, what are we doing wrong? And then correct it. And I think that approach is what is mostly the Is what you need to learn when you watch that type of film is that nobody is perfect in the film.

[00:09:12] They're just saying like, we learn from our mistake and we try to correct it and do the right thing if we didn't think about it before acting.

[00:09:21] James Gill: That's, that's amazing. Yeah. I, I think to your point, the, the movie really Yeah. It, it is as, as much about business as it is about the people and, and, and the people making these decisions and the very real.

[00:09:36] You know, I, I think a lot of people look at businesses and organizations and see an entity, but at the end of the day, businesses are made up of people, even in this world of AI and computer generated things, like, there are still people making decisions. Yeah, and I think that's, you know, What I love that the movie grapples with is like, you know, people have to make decisions with imperfect information and in the constraints of a very messy world.

[00:10:04] It doesn't shy away from that. I, I, I'm intrigued. I know I've sort of jumped around a little bit here Tristan but you, your own journey into this, you've done it. You've, I guess, had exposure to the world, perhaps more so than a lot of people. You've done a lot of traveling and that's had a big influence on, on making this movie and your outlook on these things, right?

[00:10:28] Tristan Lochon: Yeah, it helped me a lot. So I don't know if it changed the way I am, but it, it, it resonate within you unconsciously. I would say like, so I left to live in India after I graduated from school because I didn't know what to do. And a friend of mine was living there and said, I'll come and see what India has to offer.

[00:10:47] And I felt like this is I've never been to a country so different than the Western culture and French culture. And so it was really a shock because it was my first life abroad and I really loved it. Gave me all that background to being able to tell stories and reach people that are really different than I am.

[00:11:10] So I guess that stayed with me for my work later on because that gave me also the, the, the will to tell stories and travel around. But. Show what's outside. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if it helps to world sustainability, but seeing all those places really. Help you to understand that you need to preserve them because it's such a joy to be able to travel and enjoy this place that, and even though India is way more polluted than France, you know, and when I was there, like a lot of things shocked me and, and things like that, but, but there are also marvelous places there and that I want to be able to see again, or my son, or, and I think being a parent now since a few years, really Push that feeling again, even more.

[00:12:07] James Gill: That's, yeah, absolutely. So yeah, it took sort of seeing a world you, you want to change, you want to perhaps protect and you want to improve it. Something about realizing that we're all connected on the planet and all sharing it even though places might be a long way away, we're still on the same, on the same planet and the consequences of our actions in one place can, can, can have ramifications.

[00:12:35] It's everywhere. Yeah. It's a fascinating one.

[00:12:37] Tristan Lochon: And, and, and, and yeah, and this first travel led to many others that I had in different places and I felt the same way with everywhere you go. And then you see like a catastrophe happening in a place that you have been to and it feels like a bit weird because you feel that you know what's happening there, even though you aren't experiencing it.

[00:12:58] A list of their problem, you know, but Yeah, it just it just stays with you. I think

[00:13:07] James Gill: that's interesting. Yeah, so yeah, I guess a lot of the news and and Information about climate change can often be affecting, you know, it's often the first place to affect is not necessarily Paris or london where Based and so I guess yeah when you've been to other places in the world and you see then on the news You What is happening climate wise?

[00:13:32] What is being affected? It has a much deeper connection. I see.

[00:13:36] Tristan Lochon: Yeah, that's exactly It just happened actually a few weeks ago there was a big flooding in North Carolina where Andy, a character from the film, lives and I know him, I met his family and for the film responsible and and I just realized the Place, like I read an article where he testified about it and how horrific it is.

[00:13:59] And just realize the place where we filmed the interview was just swept away. And all of his life was turned upside down and you feel scared for them. You feel sad and at the same time also for the place later on that you feel like, well, we're Okay, so this marvelous home and, and beautiful place isn't there anymore.

[00:14:23] It's destroyed and you need to rebuild it. And it takes a lot of Strengths and courage. And I think he's full of that. So I'm not scared for him, but I can't imagine what he, what he has experienced and it just yeah, it's sad.

[00:14:39] James Gill: Yeah. Wow. I feel so

[00:14:41] Tristan Lochon: grateful to be able to know that, you know, that kind of feeling.

[00:14:45] James Gill: Yeah, that, that's a level of connection to some of these problems that one doesn't normally have. And it, it, it, I guess if there was a, a positive or an optimistic outcome of that, it would be that perhaps it charges one up to want to do more, to change things, to change the status quo, to put things right.

[00:15:08] And I could kind of, I could feel that from watching. The movie, Tristan, like this desire to kind of show more to maybe bring people, not just yourself going to visit, but it gave everyone an opportunity to connect on that level, like, you know, you saying that there and having watched the movie, I, it's given me a whole nother level of connection to, to some of these, these situations.

[00:15:33] Yeah, I yeah, I, I I, it would be great to, to hear a bit more about, you know, The process of making the, the movie, I, I, I guess, yeah, so you were saying how you, you started with trying to, you know, speak to the founder of Patagonia, you ended up speaking to many, many people from a range of businesses.

[00:15:55] Traveling around the world to meet on the ground some of these people. I also would say, like, the movie doesn't necessarily judge good and bad, or right and wrong. It's a very balanced, I think, movie, and looks at both sides. Curious, I'd just love to hear more about your thought process and the development of the movie, and how some of those things came about.

[00:16:16] Sure.

[00:16:18] Tristan Lochon: Like I said, so at Welcome to Jungle, we try to help people understand the world of work in a better way. And, and so I felt straight away that I needed to make a film that's not, as you say, judgmental or sensationalist. Cause I think that does exist and it's already well made on, on different industry.

[00:16:38] And, and I think I would just have had more to it. And so I was, more curious to see if it was possible to do an inspiring movie about people who are trying to changing the world and through their work at their company and the way they run their company. And so that was the first start is like trying to find those people aside from Patagonia.

[00:17:01] And then what you were saying is to. About all those people being connected through the same mindset and Andy says says it in a good way. Andy Fife, the, the character I was telling you about he said, like, when I see these people doing great thing, all they have in common is that they see something greater than themselves individually.

[00:17:22] And so. While I was meeting with all of them I felt that Andy would be the link to all those people because he has been working for B Lab since so, such a long time and he was the only one who was not working for a private company. So he could explain maybe the link between all of them. And I didn't feel like putting my own voice into it because I thought those guys will tell the story better than, than me adding like a few, like normally when you.

[00:17:49] A lot of people, when they make documentaries, they put like some voiceover because it's easier to explain things. But I was trying to challenge myself with Julian and was like, we could use a voiceover to say a few things, add a few numbers, but I, I really wanted to challenge it and try to see if we could build that story without having our own voice into it.

[00:18:10] And just let them explain the topic that they know better than we do. Yeah, it worked pretty well because they all share this mindset of being inspired and positiveness and they all know the work that the other one is doing, even though they live like one in the US, one in Sri Lanka, one in the UK. And, and that's what fascinated me is that they really share something in common.

[00:18:36] And that's why I was saying at the beginning of the recording, that You could put them in any other company or any other sector that would sing the same way. And, and that's what I really wanted to show structuring the film.

[00:18:52] James Gill: Yeah, absolutely. It's so interesting hearing you talk about some of those decisions as, like, someone who knows very little about filmmaking to hear those debates you've had.

[00:19:02] And I can only imagine how challenging it can be to bring something together that ultimately watching the movie feels like a very cohesive, well considered thing. But really, you know, you're not giving people a script and telling them what to say. You're filming conversations, you're filming moments. And it's, it's, I think there's a lot, a lot to take there from, you know, you were, we were speaking before we started recording about how, you know, Tristan, you were saying like, I don't know if there's, A lot for someone in business to take from, from some of the things you have to say.

[00:19:37] But I, I think I, I see so much of that and it relates so much to like putting a product into the world or, or bringing it, growing a business and, and bringing a team together. There's so many traits there where like you're You're facing similar challenges and it's, it's just really interesting to hear the, the, the challenges you face and how they relate and seeing the outcome of, of that work is, is yeah, incredible.

[00:20:02] Yeah,

[00:20:03] Tristan Lochon: that's, that's exactly what, like, if I can, if I had to do, to find similarities between me and them, I would say that my way to kind of do my part. Within through my work is to tell the good story through the right people thought that that's my sustainability goal. Say, I'm making a film about responsibility.

[00:20:28] If I'm making a film about mental health issue, I need to ask the right people who knows the topic, what they would say about it, et cetera. So. To me, it was to deliver the right message to the right people. And I think the speaker that we have with private spending through companies and people relate to those guys are those company set.

[00:21:00] So I felt that I was right at first, you know, you are fact checking everything and you're like, but who is this guy? And, and and, and then you realize that he's. Well known to like the business world and maybe to me was much more impressive. Like I'm super happy that the film is out and, and yeah, so I, I just felt like yeah, I think I had a cast that is so wide and, and to me it was really important not only to have the people at the head of companies, because.

[00:21:30] For example, there is like this company, Tony's Chocolamie in the film, who is trying to eradicate make, make chocolate 100 percent slave free, so fight against child labor in, in Western Africa, in Ghana and Ivory Coast. So they tell their story in the film, and I felt like if I can't go to Ivory Coast to show What those people are saying and check if it's true doesn't make any sense because I would just have asked some Western people in the Western world telling me about all those good thing that they are doing on the field and then not showing the field doesn't make any sense.

[00:22:05] So I really felt like the cast was broad enough and representative enough to, to explain all those things without. Me having to show something else through my voice

[00:22:18] James Gill: Yeah, I think that was something that really resonated for me that as you said like, you know The business world is often very focused on decision making at the top and you know when you are a founder of a company or you you you know in any kind of senior role, like you, you look to other people in your industry and what they're doing.

[00:22:38] And, you know, primarily that is in the Western world. And a lot of that is naturally like in big cities and, and, and what I loved about your movie was it, it, you know, you weren't afraid to show that side, but also how that relates to what's happening truly on the ground, tracing back that supply chain and, and.

[00:23:02] And really almost like fact checking or showing like, okay what are they saying versus what is actually happening and yeah, I thought that was truly the power of filmmaking there for me, you know, far more than hearing about it or reading about it. It was really incredible.

[00:23:23] Tristan Lochon: Yeah, exactly. Like, like you said, yeah, that's, that, that was a point.

[00:23:27] And again, while I was making it, so when you are film directing, you are always thinking of like, where is it going to be shown and and who is going to watch it. And I felt like at first you have this ambition on of like Platforms, TV channels, et cetera. And I'm super happy because we had broadcast in France and now we're working with a distributor.

[00:23:48] So that's really amazing for me to have my work being broadcasted. But at the same time the more I was speaking with entrepreneurs while I was editing the film and, and. People who run companies and who are not being so responsible and they were not comfortable with the conversation. So I felt like if I can touch these people as well and see like and they can see that they could act differently, that would be much more of a success than just having the film shown on TV for myself.

[00:24:20] And since then, like we have had. More than a hundred private screening in France and abroad, and I've participated into round tables and Q and a and speaking with a lot of people from different industries. And it's very interesting to have this conversation. And I felt much more interested than by that, than just knowing that my film is out somewhere, even though it's really great for me, but.

[00:24:43] You can't discuss with the people at their home watching TV. So yeah, it's much more interesting for me to have this conversation with students, CEOs workers, anyone who has seen the film and who is like coming out of it and just being able to tell you what they felt, if they are like happy, not happy with a film, even though sometimes it's like a big debate and, and, and it's fun, you know, it's very interesting for me as a filmmaker.

[00:25:09] And I feel that's such a privilege to have those kinds of moments. It's like. The one when I met you in the UK and doing a screening outside of your own country is amazing.

[00:25:21] James Gill: Yeah, we, we I think I, I, yeah, I had the pleasure of seeing that one of these screenings and Tristan, don't worry, you you had a very good reaction from what I could see.

[00:25:30] There was no, no one was throwing things at you or booing. Yeah, no, it was

[00:25:37] Tristan Lochon: so against.

[00:25:38] James Gill: It was, it was wonderful. And I must mention as well, that that screening was held by Whole Grain Digital, Tom and Vinita. Tom's been a big influence to us at Ecosend. He's really, well, I say champion, that underplays it.

[00:25:53] He's Written a book on digital sustainability and I thought that was just, um, and Tom features Tom Anthony to feature in the, the movie. And that's another really interesting point where, you know, I guess from your perspective, it would have been easy to, you know, you mentioned Tony's Chocoloni and their supply chain.

[00:26:14] You mentioned Patagonia and, and B lab. So to feature Tom and Vinita's business and that digital piece, I think really resonates for us at EcoSend. What made you want to include Holgrain's story in the movie?

[00:26:30] Tristan Lochon: Well, I was looking at, so I was telling you, I was trying to find people in different industries and goal was to find those.

[00:26:38] There is so many industries as you can, as you probably know, wanted to find industries that relate to anyone. So, close everyone eat chocolates or eat anything. I eat food. I mean, everyone use technology. Some point I felt like, okay, but. Does it even exist? Like, does someone is being responsible with technology because we know the pollution?

[00:27:04] I mean, I was aware of digital pollution, but it's such a topic that is not so I mean, the, the pollution of, like, closing and you can see it, but the digital pollution, as Tom explained, is, is, is something you don't see. So. It's really hard for people to see to understand the impact of that. And so I really wanted to talk about that in the film.

[00:27:25] And I was looking for someone who is being responsible in the digital era. And then I found that book from Tom and and I listened to a few interviews and I was like, it's funny cause he has had that company for 15, 17 years.

[00:27:43] So much stick to being like 20 people. I think. I used to like the company being responsible and work. So people who were probably not happy with it. So, at the same time, in the industry, that is not where it wasn't so many

[00:28:04] James Gill: people working that

[00:28:06] Tristan Lochon: way. And so. I was quite happy to to have found him also. What I was telling everyone.

[00:28:16] Share the same set like, so the film is 52 minutes long. I think they all have approximately 10, 15 minutes to tell their story and the way they work and approach responsibility. But I have 2 hours of interview, which is with each of them and on so many. Question that I asked to everyone, like, what is a company for what is what should be the main responsibility of companies, et cetera.

[00:28:41] They all share the same ideas and and it was really funny to have someone like Tom sharing that and someone like Vincent Stanley, who has been in business for 40 years, saying the same thing with different words. But, you know so I kind of felt like Tom could have also be the red line of the film and the red thread of the film and, and being able to answer a few questions on many different topics aside from techno digital industry.

[00:29:08] And so that's why I felt when I spoke to him and did a first meeting on the phone, like this guy is really someone I want to Talk to an interview or so, and I'm glad I did.

[00:29:21] James Gill: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I Tristan, I, I can't believe it. I, we've basically already done like half an hour of the episode. I, I'm, I'm blown away by how quickly things fly by you know, I, I think if, if you've got a little bit more time, there's just a few more things that I know we wanted to talk through.

[00:29:41] And I mean, one was, you know, we always like to, on the show, like try to look forward and think into the future where, where things are going to change, what might stay the same. Obviously, you've seen so much, you've seen so much of the world, so many different businesses. From all of that, do you have any thoughts on how, how things might, might develop in the future for, for, either in the world of filmmaking or for responsible businesses?

[00:30:08] Tristan Lochon: I can't really tell you how I think it will evolve, but what I learned through making this film and meeting all these people is that you need to stay positive, even though you sometimes you wake up and you feel like it's a fucked up world we are living in, but when you see what's happening and and if you aren't What I learned from someone like Yvon Chouinard, and that's why I'm glad we met with Patagonia, is that Vincent Stanley, because Yvon Chouinard describes himself as a very pessimistic person.

[00:30:40] And, and Vincent told me it doesn't matter because it never stopped him from acting.

[00:30:46] James Gill: And,

[00:30:46] Tristan Lochon: and so I found that really interesting because you feel when you are I mean, in my head, I thought if you are pessimistic and desperate, like, you just don't want to go to work and you don't want to change anything and you don't, and you feel like what's the point of like me acting on a small scale when you see these guys doing, destroying everything.

[00:31:06] And and I found like, if we all share this kind of mindset of like, still act, even though. We don't feel optimistic. It's going to change. And another thing I learned is through this film is that you need to accept that you might not see the result of what you are acting for. And, and I think that's really interesting.

[00:31:26] So I became much more hopeful and optimistic after making this film than I was before. And and I really feel now, like, what's the point of like. You know, not waking up and not just wanting to change things because otherwise, let's just stop eating right now, you know, and if we You'll feel more happy about trying to change things and not doing anything.

[00:31:50] James Gill: That is a very poignant and yeah, that is what one hell of a Pointer to be finishing on Tristan. I I think that's really really quite profound I'm sure many people are coming away from this episode Feeling Yeah, like things, even if things feel bad, like keep going, we're on, we're doing the right things.

[00:32:12] If we're doing the right things, just keep going. Don't, don't stop.

[00:32:16] Tristan Lochon: Yeah. And the small steps, like you might really think that it's nothing, but if, yeah, I think, I think they, they still have an impact. Absolute. Like absolutely not. Making, not making these steps is, is worse than than, yeah. Making them. So let's just make them.

[00:32:32] Yeah.

[00:32:33] James Gill: Tristan, thank you so much. I, I, I think we've covered so much on today's show. I, I would, I, I can barely put into words how much I recommend people go. Try to see the movie. I know that while the movie is not yet on any you know any of these tv streaming platforms what you're really trying to get people to do is is have screenings of the the film Right.

[00:33:00] Yeah, like you can

[00:33:01] Tristan Lochon: organize that through your company organization uni Just write to us

[00:33:08] James Gill: Yeah,

[00:33:08] Tristan Lochon: you are.

[00:33:09] James Gill: Yeah, we'll put the The email address in the, in the, in the show notes for sure. Yeah. And it just takes

[00:33:16] Tristan Lochon: a room and a few people and it has to remain private, but, but yeah, you can watch the film and talk about it and have this conversation between you and other clients or entrepreneurs or companies.

[00:33:29] And, and the more people have this conversation, the better it will get.

[00:33:34] James Gill: Fantastic. Tristan, thank you so much for for joining me on the show today. It has been truly a pleasure. Thank you again for making a piece of art really with the, with the movie. It's really wonderful. And I, I am so excited for more people to see it because That will lead to more positive change in the world.

[00:33:54] Tristan Lochon: And that's what we will do. Thank you very much, James. Thanks to you. And yeah, let me know if you watch the film, what you think. Not you, I mean the people listening to the podcast.

[00:34:03] James Gill: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. No, thank you, Tristan. very much. Thank you, and thank you for watching and listening to the show today.

[00:34:12] As, as mentioned, yeah, if you want to arrange a screening or if you want to learn more, get in touch and, and we'll, we'll, we can probably point you in the right direction as well and and also if you've enjoyed today's episode, please do Share it with more people, share it around give it a thumbs up, a five stars and let us know as it really helps spread, spread the word about what Tristan's up to.

[00:34:33] So, thank you for joining us today, and we'll see you next time.